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February 3rd, 2005

Ok that's it..... @ 09:07 am

hfrogg451:
I'm currently feelin: angry angry

Ok, I'm pissed! To all those people who make the arguement that because you've been a part of Prodaganda you should some how get special treatment I say grr...

Since when was U2 about seniority and proving who loves them more? It's about the frickin' music people. They aren't gods and we shouldn't be fighting over tickets to see them as if we're starving and they give us food. Fine you should have gotten free memberships to U2.com because of the previous membership status in Prod, that makes sense but no you get even more priority in getting tickets???? Why is that fair??

Why because you somehow found out about a magazine before the rest of us? I've been a U2 fan since I was a little, little kid but I didn't know about Prod so because of that I'm being punished??? Furthermore, I joined U2.com because I'm a fan, at the time I joined I didn't even know I was going to get priority at tickets! I join and I do things for this band and with other fans out of the love of the music,not to prove my love of them. Not to somehow screw over another fans!

ps: I apologize in advance for this rant and do not mean to insult or injuy anyone. Please, don't all jump down my throat at once....
Instead, please queue and only jump one at a time just like we do for U2 tickets.
 
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From:_wild_honey_
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Amen, sister.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC)
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Thanks..

*runs, ducks awaiting the attack from others*

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From:arcmorality
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
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Ok. So what about those prop members who relied on tix, who don't have the internet? Yes there are people out there without the net. Would it been so hard for them to mail out ticket orders to prop members thro the post as a final thank you?

Those who don't have the net have been left with nothing. Not even a refund.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:41 pm (UTC)
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Well, it's hard for me to imagine someone not being able to find an internet connection so where. Go to Kinkos or the library or something. However, I do hear what you're saying and in order for me to make an informed opinion on the matter I think I'd first have to know how many Prod members didn't have internet access (god knows how many might lie in order to the best tickets).

But now you bring up the matter, there should be some way for people to join U2.com by mail if they don't have internet access to make all things equal. That way they to can get a the same priority. Now, I don't know how this would all work but I do hear what you're saying and I agree that equality is something which needs to be worked at in all areas.

Thanks for bring up a good point.
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From:lovedstrangely
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:32 pm (UTC)
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Please, don't all jump down my throat at once....
Instead, please queue and only jump one at a time just like we do for U2 tickets.

hahahahaha.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:41 pm (UTC)
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yeah someone understand my humor! woohoo.... all is not lost.
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From:sirensong984
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
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I paid for my Propaganda subscription faithfully--the last payment I made was not fufilled by the four issue promise. It is not a yearly promise, but a four issue promise. I was offered a $20 discount AND to go to the front of the line for tickets. They fufilled one half of that promise, this is the other half. It's more than fair when they offered it from the beginning
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:47 pm (UTC)
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You did get to go to the front of the line for tickets, just like the rest of us who joined U2.com. Your subscription to Prod should have gotten you a free subscription to U2.com and from there you line up just like the rest of us...I think being a U2.com member should be the equivlant of being a Prod memeber.
From:leelee_cakes
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
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WORD. If you paid for the U2.com membership, you should get the benefits they promised. But all this "I was a member of Propaganda, therefore I'm a SUPERIOR fan" crap is annoying. My apologies that I didn't happen to be born early enough to get in on Propaganda before. But everyone deserves what they were promised.

Leelee
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:48 pm (UTC)
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here, here. That is exactly my point, my U2.com membership and my loyalty are just as strong as anyone who KNEW about and joined Prod earlier. It's not about superiority.
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From:luminoustimes
Date:February 3rd, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)
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I was a paying member of Propaganda...Still had 2 issues left to go...I never got a letter so I opted to pay the $40. So not only did I pay twice as much as I should have but I risk being put at the back of the line because I chose to sign up anyway. That seems unfair...Anyone have a phone number I can call to see if I can get the priority I deserve?
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)
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See now that makes more sense to me. It seems there was a definate mess up on the U2.com PM side about how the transition for Prod memebership went... And as I said, all Prod member should have gotten free U2.com memberships that just makes sense. However, it seems in your situation you didn't even get the $20.00 off the U2.com membership, right? I don't think we got put at 'the back of the line' we did still have access (albeit mess up access because of ticketbastard!) to pre-sale tickets. That's what U2.com promised and that's waht we got it wasn't as nice a system as Prod but hey you deal with what you got.

As for a number, I definately think you have a case to bring up to U2.com because you didn't even get your $20.00 off on membership to the website. I'd email the website with your details and let them investigate. I'm sure they are frantic over there right now but you gotta just be persistant and see what happens.

Good Luck!
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From:nini_darko
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:03 pm (UTC)
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i understand, as i'm not a prop member either, but the thing is, they did this for the matchbox twenty show and it worked really well. i mean sure some people were as far as 15 rows back, but point was WE were all on the floor, while the rest of the public were in the stands. (it helped that mb20 raffled off the first 2 rows so EVERYONE had a chance at them).

but really, atleast this way, most people GET tickets.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:16 pm (UTC)
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See now, the whole getting tickets or not is a whole other issue. That is so on PM for not anticipating how many people would want to see the first leg of the show. It's simple supply and demand. They had a limited number of concerts, with a limited number of arena seats vs a huge demand! That and they didn't even set aside enough pre-sale tickets to match their demand. They had to know they had way way way more U2.com members then they had pre-sale tickets avaliable. It was also poorly managed on the tech side because of the failures (hello 'internal error messages for hours) at Ticketbastard.com. You take all that and couple it with evil evial scalpers who join fan groups just for early access to the best seats and you get...well, a mess!
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC)
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Oh, get over it.

I wasn't a Propaganda fan either, but you know what? Those who were deserve to be first in queue. First of all, they have always been able to get tickets- that was one of the main benefits of Prop- and most had that taken away before their memberships were even fufilled.

Secondly, if you go by who signed up for the site first, many of those same people would be left out in the cold because they had to wait for U2's database to remember they were members and give them a discount. How is it fair for people who were with the band for twenty years, paying Prop dues every single year to be behind a new fan who signed up on a whim just because U2 didn't keep tab on their addresses?

Thirdly, this doesn't interfere with everyone else's chances at tickets. There weren't enough Prop members to fill one arena, and not all of them have signed up for the new club.

Fourthly, this keeps tickets from the hands of the scalpers.

So again I say: Get over it.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:49 pm (UTC)
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First off.

Your tone is completely unnecessary and inappropriate. I made it perfectly clear I was simply blowing off steam and venting. I did not try to offend anyone or be rude. The tone I've tried to maintain in this whole string has been even, positive, non-defensive and open minded.

Secondly.

Sure, making sure Prod get tickets would help with scalpers but for only 32K people. They still have major issues with people just joining the website and then turning around and either selling the tick to a scalper or broker or worse buying tickets to shows they don't want to trade for shows they do.

Thirdly.

People who joined U2.com did not necessarly just join on a whim. I joined because, as I've mention, I've been a fan for a very long time and had wanted to join Prod. I didn't join for the ticket access, I joined because I love the music.


Fourthly.

I never endorsed the idea of going by who joined the website first. I don't like that idea either, and it probely does present a whole ton of database issues. This is why I keep saying U2.com should have held an even earlier pre-sale for former Prod members only. Perhaps they will....FOR THE THIRD LEG which I've said, a ton of times now. I think they should leave the mess alone for the first leg and try and fix it in the future. Former Prod members want to sue for a broken promise they can. I'm certain if anyone presented a strong enough arguement with strong evidence U2.com would rather settle and given them tickets for free then be sued.

From:secret_october
Date:February 3rd, 2005 06:50 pm (UTC)
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I actually agree to this person here. I just joined this community to read and learn more about U2. I occasionally DJ their songs when I spin over at clubs, and I have seen them live once. I am not a big fan of the band membors individually, but just really appreciate the music more than anything.

All I have read over the past few days were boo fucking hoo,I don't have the best seats, or that's not fair the shows already sold old. C'mon, if U2 were reading this community they would be laughing their asses off at all of you. Bono is not a man of whining and fighting of stupidity, he is a brillant song write and a very talented man altogether. (so are the rest of U2)
Can we say "grow up" please??

I am 31 years old, and not once will I whine or complain about difficult circumstances on how I could not get tickets for U2. I think a lot more serious things like: bills, when I am going to be at the grocery store, my marriage, my health, etc.. This is pretty lame on "some" people's part in this community. I mean, I have already seen certain flame wars going on in here already. Some of you people are acting like children. I am almost embarrassed to be in here.

--Carolynn
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 07:03 pm (UTC)
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I couldn't agree with you more. I think there are more important things in life then going to a U2 concert. However, please remember that the issue I'm frustrated at is not getting tickets or not getting the best tickets-it's about equality and access. I want a level playing field and the ability for everyone to have a first come, first serve chance at tickets who's joined the fan club.

I feel that buy promising former Prod members an extra bump up in the chance to purchase tickets isn't fair. We're all fans. We all joined the fan club U2.com for the fandom and perks. They joined a previous one and were rewarded (although not enough and apparently with a mixed message) with a 1/2 priced membership fee and a chance at tickets. Now, I've learned from people posting here that U2.com over extended themselves and promised more then they could fulfill or didn't fulfill the promise at all. They should have held an earlier sale for former Prod members, that is new information I didn't know. Obviously, if they were offered a first crack at tickets the 32K members should get it.

Please, remember we're not talking about a casual hobby here. For most long time U2 fans, we're talking about a passion. A way of living your life which is why people get so pissy, and take everything so personally.

For me, my biggest issue has been with ticketbastard and scalpers far more then U2.com. If you're gonna do a pre-sale make sure your codes work and your server can keep up with demand. And as for the scalpers, they don't love U2 and know nothing of their meaning.

Please understand, we all use this community for different things and one of them is airing our frustrations. It's a forum for all our voices even if we don't all agree.
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From:siddhartha
Date:February 3rd, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
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sorry-this is the way it should be.

I have paid DMB Warehouse my 40$ faithfully for over 5 years-do the math-so I think that seniority (ie-more money paid over the years) entitles me to a bit more clout than a first-year member.

I am a new U2.com member, but understand that the similar rules apply-the propaganda people have paid their dues, and should be at the front of the que.

Chris
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC)
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I think it will be interesting in how they deal with pre-sales in the future. Now, the magazine is dead how or if they will recognize people who have been long term fans of the band. Hell, that's if they ever go on tour again.

Anyway, I could see if I'd been paying a lot of money for a long time wanting some priority. But the thing is, now this is the club and it's open to more people which means more and more people want that same priority. It just isn't going to work the same way in the future and everyone needs to get use to that...

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From:unorthodox_muse
Date:February 3rd, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)

It's Propaganda - not prodaganda.

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On the site U2.com it said prop members were going to be given special priority. We didn't ask for that priority. U2.com said that. So, I think you should take your bitching to that website, maybe you will get someone to coddle you there.

Ya know, no one around here has said anything about being a better fan or a more superior fan in regards to propaganda. At least not that I can recall. As far as your statement, "Since when was U2 about seniority and proving who loves them more?" That is pretty much a shit statement meant to cause an argument and/or some bad feelings. If I recall you replied to someone and mentioned something about the "tone" of their post. Hypocrite I say! Hasn't there been enough grief over the last couple of weeks? Give it a flippin rest already.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 08:44 pm (UTC)

Re: It's Propaganda - not prodaganda.

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At no point was I trying to start a flame war. The only mistake I made was expressing some frustration. I had no intention of continuing the sour sentiment which has come up over the past few weeks in this community. I also, don't blame the band! This was a mistake of Fanfire and Ticketmaster. I think they are doing what they can now to fix the problem. However, last I check it was an open community in which to express frustrations and feelings. Next time, I have something to say I'll simply keep it myself.

I also feel my tone has been as even as possible, but let's be reasonable here. Look at the posts-over half of them have been negative, snarkish, and mean spirited in their disagreement. It's a little understandable if I start to feel backed into a corner. Is that the point here people...?

Regarding the whole, seniority thing...that has been repeatedly been many people's arguments as to why fanclub members should get priority. So the reality is people are claiming proven seniority in their love of U2. If I'd know the only way to prove my 20 some years of love was through the club, well I guess I would have joined...
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From:malaria
Date:February 3rd, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

I, too, am a 'younger' U2 fan (I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm 22) and I discovered the band when I was ten years old. I didn't have hardly any money at the time (just allowance), but I still made an effort to get my hands on every U2-related item I could, just as all of us in this group have. It took digging to get into Propaganda (or even find out what it was), but I found out about it, saved my allowance to pay for membership, and got in when I was fourteen. They even published a letter I wrote them when I was in high school (I'm the one that wrote 'Sleepless In Arizona' in the Winter 1999 - Jubilee 2000 issue, for those interested)

I was able to purchase GA tickets through Propaganda for one of the two Elevation shows I attended, and it was one of the most magical nights of my life. I was really grateful to be a Prop member, and grateful for them for giving me the opportunity to have great tickets. I was pretty sad when they announced that Propaganda was being 'shut down' - even more annoyed when I didn't get my Propaganda-discount when I joined U2.com (but I'm over that)

Although I agree with you that this rumour about Propaganda-members possibly getting priority tickets (or whatever) may be unfortunate for *really* new fans who never even had the chance to join Prop, I still believe that older fans deserve their dues.

Many of us in this community have been following the band for over ten years, like myself - and more than twenty years for the true U2 veterans. While I won't say that we love the band "more" or whatever (it's all relative, and I hate it when people try to prove that they're "a better fan" - it smacks of snobbishness) than the newer fans, we still deserve to be recognized for our long-time loyalty.

Just the way I feel ...
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From:hard2explain8
Date:February 3rd, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC)
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I agree with you. I'm 20 and I grew up on U2, so I really became obsessed with the band around the release of "Achtung Baby". I didn't even know what Propaganda was, but those people who paid money for it and have been members longer than I've been a member of the dot com deserve priority over me.

And I didn't even get tickets for the Vertigo tour (I'm from Minneapolis- school in Milwaukee)

well put!
From:loopaygirl
Date:February 3rd, 2005 08:21 pm (UTC)
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I think it's already been proven here that by letting Prop members go first there would still be tickets left. In such case I think you are just mad that you probably wouldn't get GA. lame.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC)
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No, i'm not just mad that I won't get GA tickets which I didn't... I'm frustrated that everyone has misinterpreted me and disagreed with me. Now, disagree fine but don't call me lame and don't call me whiny. I've tried to be as respectful as possible but it's become a gang up.

As I said before, I'm frustrated that those fans who have been long time fans but didn't for whatever reason join the fanclub are being treated differently. For the last time, I didn't know about the damn club until recently! I don't know I had to prove my loyalty by paying money. I thought I paid when I bought ever magazine they ever grace the cover of, every cd, every book, and ever single I could afford. Is this not loyalty? Does that not get rewarded or considered because it wasn't through a fanclub?
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From:trabbie
Date:February 3rd, 2005 09:03 pm (UTC)
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I disagree, I registered my membership and paid fees since 92, and I feel I deserve priority over anyone that registered after me, and anyone that registered before me should have priority over me.

I remember camping out all night at ticket booths to get tickets, and the way I felt when someone would arrive 2 minutes before the window opened, and try to take cuts in line.

With Propaganda ticket offers by mail, I always got the 2 venues I requested, and they even went as far as to offer a second and third requested venue in case the first two venues could not be forefilled.

U2.com acknoledged me as an existing Prop member, but still charged me $40.00, and I got better seats going to the venue's box office and dealing with the wrist band raffle, then through the presale.

As a Propaganda member, I never had any complaints, and always got better seats than from the box office or agency.

It's easy to disagree with priority, when its not you getting priority, but put yourself in the fans shoes, that has been a loyal member for many years, didn't get any tickets, and has to listen to someone that signed up last month, boasting about getting tickets.......thats not fair.
From:hfrogg451
Date:February 3rd, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)
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I think you're right, it is easy to disagree about priority when you aren't getting the priority. It sort of sucks.. However, I again point out what about the person who has been a long term fan and didn't just join the website for tour tickets and didn't get tickets? What about them? Have they not suffered enough?

Obviously, Propaganda was a better way of selling tickets to fans as everyone seems very pleased with it. Now it's gone though and that sucks too.

As for right now, obviously U2.com is fixing their mistake in not fulfilling their promise to Propaganda fans by giving them priority. My frustration stems out of being that long term fan who didn't just sign up for the website recently or just for tickets and yet won't be recognized at all. I don't see that being fair either...

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From:trabbie
Date:February 3rd, 2005 09:40 pm (UTC)
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I have to ask you this question, How could you not know about the Fan Club?

Isn't it somewhere in the fine print of every u2 album?

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From:unorthodox_muse
Date:February 3rd, 2005 09:48 pm (UTC)
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