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October 7th, 2007

Wild Irish Rose @ 09:03 am

supacatie:
I'm currently feelin: curious curious

A little knowledge of Irish festivals and culture would help or even being Irish in someway (and by that I mean not just having consumed "flat warm guinness, being more Irish than the actual Irish" kind of Irish).

Okay, so in the version I've got, there's a brief moment where Bono is talking about how the song came about. He mentions, how the Rose is a symbol of love in Ireland. Is he talking about the Rose of Tralee/ Mary O'Connor? Or something else? I should probably know being Irish Australian, but that's the first thing I thought of. I've been meaning to ask for months, only I keep forgetting.

EDIT: He says (and I'm not sure if this is exact) "This is based on a time I spent in a hotel called the Million Dollar Hotel in Los Angeles. Which is downtown Los Angeles, its like a half way house hotel for bums and people thrown out of hospitals under the Regan era. And I was being taken through this hotel I was doing some filming down there and I noticed that the cheap liqour all the bums drank was called 'Wild Irish Rose'. So I started with the line 'the city of angels has brought a devil out in me' and developed it on from there. The rose in Ireland is you know, a sort of romantic image of love, obviously. But it's also an image of Ireland itself and that's an image I thought would be nice to subvert."

EDIT2: Just to clarify. There's a festival held in Ireland every year (2nd only to Eurovision in size) called the Rose of Tralee. It's not about Rose bushes either. Story of Mary O'Connor and William Mulchinock
 
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From:stdivine
Date:October 6th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
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Wild Irish Rose and Rose of Tralee are two different songs.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_tralee

"My Wild Irish Rose" was written Chancellor Olcott for his production of "A Romance of Athlone" in 1899
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From:supacatie
Date:October 6th, 2007 11:43 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I know they're two different songs. And I'm not even talking about My Wild Irish Rose, which is another song, completely different to Wild Irish Rose.
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 12:43 am (UTC)
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'"My Wild Irish Rose" was written Chancellor Olcott for his production of "A Romance of Athlone" in 1899'

U2's Wild Irish Rose is, as mentioned in another comment, a different song. It was recorded in the late eighties and the only version we have was broadcast on an Irish music documentary. I can't comprehend why it didn't get a proper release; I think it's one of U2's ten best songs and has some quite strong lyrics. I suppose it just didn't fit in with U2's changing sound and attitude, but it could've at least been a b-side! The Zooropa singles were especially short of original b-sides.
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 01:14 am (UTC)
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Unfortunately not. It would have been a perfect candidate for the "unreleased and rare" bonus too. :(
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:05 am (UTC)
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Yeah, sometimes I'm baffled by the band's song choices. If you ask me, Summer Rain should have taken Wild Honey's place on ATYCLB, Flower Child then in Summer Rain's place as Beautiful Day's b-side, and Wild Honey then in Flower Child's place of obscurity.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 05:20 am (UTC)
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OMG NO! I LOVE "Wild Honey"! It's one of my favorites!

Not to mention the beautiful Edge bg vocals!
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 08:44 am (UTC)
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I find it musically derivative and lyrically substandard. It's kind of fun on a nice sunny day, but I don't think that qualifies it for an album ahead of a good song like Summer Rain.

That said, when played in ATYCLB's overall context, Wild Honey doesn't sound that bad - anything would sound good after the terribleness of In A Little While.
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 12:03 pm (UTC)
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I honestly think In A Little While is one of the very worst songs I've ever heard made by a band I like. I can't tolerate the way Bono sings it. On the other hand ... I know what you mean about Peace On Earth. I have a like/hate relationship with it. I'll vigorously defend Grace to the death, though! I know most people don't like it. But I'm one of ATYCLB's biggest critics and yet I think it's one of the album's four good songs. As for Wild Honey, I just don't think it's up to album standards.

But yeah, the world needs more Summer Rain. :) That's one of my favourite songs from the ATYCLB era and I hate how overlooked it is. Back before I digitalised my music collection, I played the Beautiful Day single all the time just for that song.
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Hee, yeah, I've certainly noticed that. I've been in my fair share of IALW debates.

I've moved far away from ATYCLB. It never was a favourite, but I never used to seriously dislike it until the last couple of years. I suppose my tastes have changed, I'm only really into eighties U2 and Passengers these days. That said, When I Look At The World is an excellent song.

And while an unreleased songs poll would be a good idea, don't hold your breath. U2.com has to be the worst band website I've ever encountered. It was really insane during the Vertigo Tour when I was updating U2-Vertigo-Tour.com with live sets including snippets despite the fact I have no official connections with the band, while U2.com would post "official" reports that contained glaring inaccuracies - like their article about the second Paris gig that gushed about a performance of Bad that DIDN'T HAPPEN.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:31 pm (UTC)
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That's funny. I consider "Peace on Earth" and "Grace" (and actually, the album as a whole) to be superlative. Then again, I have a very difficult time rating one U2 song against each other. They aren't just songs to me - they are souvenirs of my life. Each song is taken in context of when and where I heard it and with whom, what is says to me about my life or the world in the context of my life, and each time I hear the song anew (or a new version of it) is a new opportunity for me to form an opinion of it, wholly unhindered by my ever listening to it before.

I wrote a similar review of "Peace on Earth" just recently based on a re-hearing in a new light.

ATYCLB went largely unlistened-to by me until I went to visit my friend in New York. On the trip there, Jet Blue had DirectTv's showing of the Live from Slane Castle concert and that was my first true introduction to those songs with no distractions. On the entire trip, we related songs from ATYCLB to our road trip to Boston and back to New York, and those songs have that additional meaning for me.

The next year, I went to visit my friend again, and when I sat on the plane, next to (and I am reading this from my travel journal) "a couple with a beautiful - stunning - child" and during the flight, I played with her and kept her entertained. "She even came to me and let me hold her for awhile. She has big, beautiful blue eyes and short hair which made lovely curls at the nape of her neck. . . just before the flight landed, I learned her name is Grace.

It's all a matter of relativity.

Two days ago I was in the car and I was switching CDs and decided to scroll through the radio stations (I almost never listen to the radio) and "With or Without You" was on, and I for the first time NOTICED and took note of Adam's bass. It was like hearing the song for the first time ever. Brilliant.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 04:52 pm (UTC)
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Hehe. In another comment here I link to a piece I wrote about how "WGRYWH" changed my life.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:03 pm (UTC)
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Wow. In A Little While is another of my favorites, and I consider myself to be a lyrical snob.

Honestly, Bono could be singing in Cantonese, as long as he makes his voice sound like that.

Sometimes I like to tune everything else out and listen to Larry's drum line.

I consider ATYCLB to be one of those "perfect" CDs - not a thing wrong with it and every song a gem - not just of U2 but of my entire music collection.


It's funny how songs can impact people so differently even when they share similar music tastes?
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From:axver
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:15 pm (UTC)
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Heh, I think IALW is a monumental failure in the lyrics department apart from the "rocketship" verse. And I think most people would consider me a snob - the average person with my taste would probably consider U2 a guilty pleasure (as long as we're talking 1976-97 U2, I don't). I'd certainly rather Bono never sing like he's got a frog stuck in his throat.

'It's funny how songs can impact people so differently even when they share similar music tastes?'

That's for sure! :) What baffles me is exactly your perspective on ATYCLB, heh. I like the Interference forums because of all the crap ATYCLB gets there; it seems everywhere else, that album is held in high regard and I cannot at all understand why. It's even worse than Achtung Baby, and that's saying something (though I recognise I'm in a huge minority just about everywhere with regards to my dislike of Achtung). I still don't know how the band behind The Unforgettable Fire penned Stuck In A Moment, Elevation, Walk On, New York, etc. For the record, I actually like Walk On, a lot, but there's no denying the agonisingly cliche nature of the lyrics.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:51 pm (UTC)
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Cliche, perhaps, but not so when you think of the context in which the song was written and what it is meant to represent. Bono was trying to make a political statement about the imprisonment of Aung San Suu Kyi, send a positive message to her, and make the song universal enough to both match the tone of the album and to make it easy with which to identify. Now, I learned all of this about the song being for Aung San Suu Kyi within the past year, and when I read this quote, the song meant more to me.

I like frog-in-throat!Bono! :D I like when my favorite singers mix it up a little. It sounds like Bono waking up in the morning and being overheard singing as he performs his morning toilette or in the back of a car on the way to the airport or something. Like when you answer a call from a deep sleep and you wonder whose voice is coming out of your mouth. Fascinating.

I was a casual U2 fan until Achtung Baby. So I have only good things to say about it. Of course, the only U2 that took me awhile to get into (and when I say awhile, I am talking 5-7 years "awhile") was Pop, but that was as much for deeply personal reasons that have little or nothing to do with the actual band or their music.
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From:rickysbaby
Date:October 7th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
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I find there to be a sensuality in the instrumentation of In A Little While that, when teamed with the lyrics, makes it an overall very sexy little song.
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From:supacatie
Date:October 7th, 2007 07:04 am (UTC)
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Wild Honey makes me think of Curious George.
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From:inklingfair
Date:October 8th, 2007 11:41 am (UTC)
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Amen. Exactly.
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From:septembergrrl
Date:October 7th, 2007 12:46 am (UTC)
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I don't think seeing roses as romantic is any special Irish thing, any more than it's an American thing -- I think he just phrased that oddly.

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