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March 24th, 2003

*That* Awards Ceremony @ 04:38 pm

bloodfever:
Let me firstly say that I love U2. I adore U2. I worship at the alter of U2. We clear?

Now let me say that the things i have read so far on the Oscars is pretty disappointing. I congratulate the Academy for having the...errm...balls to actually allow someone as "controversial" as Eminem to win. He has as much right to that award as U2 has. I read someone say somewhere (pls forgive me) in this community that "Lose Yourself" is one of the best rap tracks out there and that person is 100% spot on. Im not a rap fan or an Eminem fan by any stretch of the imagination but heres a newsflash people....just because it aint U2 does not mean it has no merit.

I also read another comment basically acusing Eminem of not responding to these "troubled times" and deflecting the focus of bands that do (a la U2, of course). Since when does music HAVE to be a commentary? A lot of U2 isnt a political commentary, its a personal one - and does anyone here think that "With or Without You" is any less of a song than "Pride" (on that basis and for eg)? So the song that won wasnt entirely politically based. Get over it.

Im more concerned with how the boys were on stage. I live in Oz so wont get to see their performance for another couple of hours. How much Adam???!!! ;)

I personally also think that the Boys would be happy that Eninem got recognised. Hasnt Bono been quoted somewhere praising him?
 
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From:lardencelover
Date:March 23rd, 2003 09:54 pm (UTC)
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I think everyone needs to stop focusing on the award and see what really happened.


U2's performance knocked the audience off their feet and left Daniel Day-Lewis and Martin Scorcese in tears. That means more than some bloody eight pound statue.


And you'll be disappointed. Adam is barely featured. Larry barely is as well, although he gets a bit more time as a result of Bono standing in front of his kit most time.

Adam, however, did not wear his glasses and had grey hair. Can you say YUM?
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 09:56 pm (UTC)

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Im glad their performance went well - its a fairly big thing for them to have been nominated at all - much less asked to perform.

Ooooh oooh oooh something to look forward to - even a moment of Adam hotness is a good thing. :)

Your icon is neat, btw.
From:thestorm
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:02 pm (UTC)
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spot on for having the balls to say that, honestly. people tend to overreact just a *lil* bit to be honest, but i suppose that's what will happen for anyone who lieks a band that much...
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:05 pm (UTC)

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Thank you. I am expecting a couple of flames lol.

I think that psycho fans are really cutting themselves off from other possibilities. Its one thing to love a band and quite another to be blinded by it. Its hero worship and I dont think the completely sheep like bahviour that comes with it is something the boys a) approve of and b) would even want.

Im really glad to hear that their performance rocked the house, so to speak.
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:15 pm (UTC)

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Exactly right - it could have been much worse (eg Chicago), and although it would have been an honor its hardly the end of the world.

I cant wait to see the boys perform...everything Ive read about it is absolutely glowing!
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From:hapavox
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:29 pm (UTC)
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I think it's about RELEVANCE. Does a marketing 'gimmick' like Eminem really have any relevance...other than the fact that he's a rapper that's gone through some 'personal' hard times....and now he's going to sing and make a movie about it that's a straight-knock-rip off of the '80s film, Flashdance?

I would compare this 'loss' to Eminem in a major awards category to let's say...The Beatles losing to a character like David Cassidy...or Leif Garrett or something. For a fan of true, REAL/RELEVANT music...this loss was painful!!!!
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:36 pm (UTC)

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If its about relevance then it could be argued that Eminem is just as relevant as U2 is. I would hardly call him a "gimick" either - while Im not a fan of his music, it is *real*...just as any rock music or jazz music or whatever is real. His lyrics are personal and he writes and performs all his own stuff, he even contributed to the composition of the actual backing music. Which is about as ungimicky as you can get. By my definition a gimick is an artist who is written for, dressed up and told how to act. Emimen is not that. Which makes him as relevant as anyone else who is, to use a completely boring cliche, "keeping it real".

As far as 8 Mile goes, its as relevant as a movie made about the lives of U2 would be. Im sure you wouldnt think that the hypothetical U2 movie was irrelevant.
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From:rhythmsextion
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:48 pm (UTC)
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You. Yes. I like you; you can stay. :-D

Everything you said, I agree with. Completely. Right on, man.


And sadly (also being a hardcore Adam girl) there was very little Adam. But, what I DID see he looked quite yummy in. That man is utterly fanstastic. And you know, he went to the ceremony sans date so you and I still have a chance... *SNERK*
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:51 pm (UTC)

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Thx!

Oooh no date, huh? *gets hopes up*

Who said I had to be realistic?
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From:filmerx
Date:March 23rd, 2003 10:53 pm (UTC)

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r&h was a fine concert film in that it also showed the band as they behaved naturally. fun, i thought. i do like eminem, many of his lyrics are great, and incredibly inventive.
also, i appreciate being cited in your original text. "one of the besst rap tracks out there". always nice to be noticed.
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 11:10 pm (UTC)
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I loved R&H, its where I fell in love with U2, and you are right...it was a lot of fun. Its downright hillarious in parts. Most gimicks are fun. Thats why they stick. Im not a big Eminem fan, although I see originality in his work, and I really appreciate that. Its something music in general is missing.

Sorry for not sighting you for your comment, I went back to find it and couldnt!
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From:bloodfever
Date:March 23rd, 2003 11:11 pm (UTC)
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Urgh. I have just gone back and read most of that and can I just apologise to everyone for my hideous lack of spelling/typing ability and poor general grammar!!

I suck!
From:loopaygirl
Date:March 23rd, 2003 11:21 pm (UTC)

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Since when does music HAVE to be a commentary?

THANK YOU! :D

geez some people need to get the stick out of their ass... :p
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From:neverletmedown
Date:March 24th, 2003 01:30 am (UTC)
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After a bombardment of "Oh MY GOD!!! U2 DIDN'T WIN! (THAT BASTARD EMINEM!)" posts... I was almost ready to post:

"Get over it!"

But you did it so much more eloquently than I had planned to do.

Thank you ;)
From:licoricestick
Date:March 24th, 2003 06:00 am (UTC)
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Great post! It's just a stupid Oscar...The Oscars are based more on money making than artistic expression. As a stand alone song, I believe Lose Yourself made a lot more money than Hands. It's a fabulous song, very well written.
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From:pornrockangel
Date:March 24th, 2003 10:18 am (UTC)

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I just think it's funny that he 'couldn't be there' to receive the award. it would have been interesting indeed had he made his own acceptance speech.
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From:corianderstem
Date:March 24th, 2003 12:21 pm (UTC)
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I was bummed, although I thought Eminem's song was the better of the two. I never actually thought the Academy would give it to him, though. If they're trying to be hip, I wish they would have done that the year the South Park song was nominated!

My guess as to why Eminem wasn't there: loss of "street cred." I bet his exact reaction was something along the lines of "F*ck no, I ain't goin." *g*

But that would have been something to see -- Eminem on stage with Babs Streisand! Hee hee.

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