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November 3rd, 2003

Oh gosh. @ 04:33 pm

sparklingsoull:
I was doing some research for my conformation class and stuff. Look what I found how some people see Bono, here! Really. Argh! That vexes me.

They obviously never notice this!
 
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From:rocknrollbirdie
Date:November 3rd, 2003 01:40 pm (UTC)
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Some people only hear what they want..
The funny thing is Hugh himself wanted to use the song to promote his "Mansion" and U2 declined because that is not the meaning of the song.

People are blind and that really is what the song is about.
From:sparklingsoull
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:36 pm (UTC)
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True. It is how you interpet it.
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From:mangoprophetess
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:11 pm (UTC)
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Rah! People aggravate me. Seems the Christian Right doesn't understand the concept of symbolism, whether in music or even in The Bible.

Random Person: "Couldn't it be possible that 'God created the world in seven days' is an allegory for the Big Bang Theory that was used so that peoples of the past could grasp scientific concepts they wouldn't be able to understand on their own?"
Christian Right: "No. If The Bible says 'God created the world in seven days', then that is exactly what He did. No ifs, ands, or buts."
RP: "But isn't there the slightest chance?"
CR: "No. That's blasphemy. And you are going to Hell for even thinking of it."
RP: "But I believe in God."
CR: "Doesn't matter. You're a blasphemer. You're going to Hell."
RP: "Because I don't agree with you that The Bible should be taken literally?"
CR: "Exactly. The Bible is 100% truth written as is. Anyone who says otherwise is a blasphemer, condemned to burn in Hell for all eternity. Anyone who disagrees with our form of religion is going to Hell, no matter what."

Besides, to these people, living a "Christian life" doesn't mean helping your fellow man and accepting people from all walks of life. It means being a Puritan, abstaining from everything all together (no such thing as moderation in this mindset), staying in your own little world praying all the time, and getting on your pulpit to condemn others' actions, yet never going out and helping other people. That's not Christianity; that's hypocrisy and pretension. Who cares that Bono drinks and smokes and curses? In the grand scheme of things, they mean absolutely nothing, because they are so trivial. Besides, he's a better Christian than 99% of those people will ever be, because he goes out an does Christian works that Jesus did/would have done.

Rah...I can't stand organized religion. Sorry to rant.
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From:rocknrollbirdie
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:30 pm (UTC)
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Sorry to be umm.. bitchy.. But isn't that being just as blind as the people who you are complaining about?
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From:mangoprophetess
Date:November 3rd, 2003 05:04 pm (UTC)
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I concede to your point. I am using too broad a brush. Not *all* Christians are like how I described above, nor are the majority. However, there are people who think in these terms. I've met some such people and feel they are complete hypocrites. And it seems that, more often than not, those are the people who are getting heard by the masses. Instead of hearing religious leaders who talk about accepting others and truly loving their neighbors, we hear about how this country (i.e. the US) is immoral and corrupt and that it's the fault of this "other" group or that "other" group (the current scapegoat is the Gay and Lesbian Community). Instead of going out to help fix issues, so many of these mouthpieces blame everyone else for the problems of America. They don't *do* anything to change the world around them and, instead, cause even more problems by creating animosity.

I don't think anyone has the right to inflict their beliefs upon anyone else, and many Christian denominations hold that as a doctrine in and of itself. Personally, I find that appalling. Religion, in my opinion, should be a very personal aspect of someone's life that should be practiced in the way they see fit, if at all.

I'm not trying to be a bigot. I was actually raised Catholic. But, as important as religion and faith are, I believe that humanity and acceptance are much more paramount issues.
From:amerrydeath
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:31 pm (UTC)
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*applauds*
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From:rockontheedge
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:48 pm (UTC)
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AMEN! We should walk the christian walk as best we can, a true relationship with Jesus, and see all as sinners like us, no ones better than anyone else, right!? Bono's better than any of them...(and i shouldn't say that because we've all got our faults, but i'm biased)
From:sparklingsoull
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:56 pm (UTC)
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Nobody should insult or put down others!!
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From:psykoboy2
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:04 pm (UTC)
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That just sounds strange coming from someone with a Jimmy Fallon icon.
From:sparklingsoull
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:05 pm (UTC)
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Well, I should add, "nobody should insult others unless it is in a comical sense." :)
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From:socialcrazed
Date:November 3rd, 2003 02:57 pm (UTC)
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I can't believe that instead of praising his stance in the fight against AIDS and his work with Greenpeace, they act like their the most un-Christianlike things anyone could possibly do.
There is no Jesus in the world anymore, make way for Jerry Falwell.
(Then again, I guess they're required to rat on him since he wears tight pants with purple sunglasses.)
From:sparklingsoull
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:06 pm (UTC)
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Who is Jerry Falwell?
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From:simu2fan
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:24 pm (UTC)
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Jerry Falwell is a well-known televangelist. I couldn't believe that article. %P
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From:socialcrazed
Date:November 3rd, 2003 07:39 pm (UTC)
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Things Jerry Falwell has said.

Sorry that I couldn't maybe find an unbiased source for these, but hey, anyone that's listing those quotes has got to be biased in some way.
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From:u2biscuit
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:47 pm (UTC)
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Well, let's keep in mind, U2 are not poster boys for religion. In fact, they've basically rejected all religions. They're spiritual, not religious. That said, the type of faith I see Bono practising is the only type of faith that has ever seemed the least bit attractive or plausible to me (I'm very atheist).

Bono has never been afraid to question his faith. He spent much of the 90's writing lyrics that pointed out the contradictions in religion. However, many practitioners of faith feel that faith means following the dictates of your religion blindly, and to question (not to doubt it mind you) is heretical and blasphemous. I personally can think of no greater compliment then to be on the shit list of a group like this.
From:irisheyedlass
Date:November 3rd, 2003 03:58 pm (UTC)
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ok well typically I find things like this hilarious, and this article is no exception. I figure that groups like U2 are the reasons that the author of that article use for living. Without it, what on earth would they do, huh? Great groups like U2 keep him happy because he has something to complain about :)

btw - bono looks incredibly sexy on the cover of that rolling stone
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From:jellyfish78
Date:November 3rd, 2003 05:16 pm (UTC)
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Hm...reading that just made me wanna go listen to U2. Actually, it made me laugh my ass off....that's right you right-wingers....my ASS!
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From:axver
Date:November 4th, 2003 01:00 am (UTC)
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Oh that article really pissed me off, especially seeing I'm a Christian and it really irks me when people like that go saying stuff like that, because then some people could get the wrong impression of Christianity or other Christians could get sucked in by that tripe.

So what did I do with my anger? I rebutted the article. It's not that great, but you can find it at http://www.livejournal.com/users/axver/66485.html (also, there was an error in the CCM.com article that I pointed out to them and they have subsequently edited; however, this error still remains in my article and I need to edit it).
From:sparklingsoull
Date:November 4th, 2003 11:32 am (UTC)
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Yah, I'm a Christian (Catholic), but I am not a fanatic about it. I believe religion is personal.
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From:axver
Date:November 5th, 2003 01:04 am (UTC)
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Yes, as do I ... I think faith is one of the most personal things there is. I don't get these professing Christians who run around trying to shove Christ down people's throats: if anyone wants to talk to me about anything spiritual, I'm always willing to talk, but I rarely initiate conversations myself.
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From:scaryrich
Date:November 4th, 2003 08:38 am (UTC)

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that article was funny, in a sad sort of way.

i'd never seen that photo of bono and liam before either
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From:carobanano
Date:November 4th, 2003 08:32 pm (UTC)
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Reading that heretical trash inspired me to check out Walk On: The Spiritual Journey of U2 from my library. I found this quote:
"The Christian community seems to have confined its definition of faith to various precise behavioral patterns and cliched statements of faith. In getting caught up in the minutia of behavioral codes that have had more to do with respectable middle-class behavior than biblical guidelines, many have been so obsessed with the cigar hanging out of Bono's mouth that they are missing the radical biblical agenda that has fired his life and work."

In my opinion, it's really only the arch-conservatives like those who run Corrupt Christian Music that think this way, and not necessarily the entire Christian community. As a Christian, I have felt more spiritual and transcendent listening to U2 than I have sitting in church on Sunday, and I'm sure others would agree.
From:palesickboy
Date:November 7th, 2003 03:44 pm (UTC)
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it's funny i guess... although kind of pathetic. i don't understand why religious groups go so far to make other christians look bad. the bit at the end made me really angry. "click on photo to view a very disterbing shot of Bono with Oasis lead singer, Liam Ghallager acting completely perverse!" first off they should learn to spell... and second... well i guess i won't get into a debate about homophobia. but it makes me really sad. :(
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