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December 9th, 2003

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u2lynne:
Hey all you traders, let's Officially Allow Taping at U2 Concerts !

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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:08 pm (UTC)
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let's not.
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From:izzybeth
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:22 pm (UTC)
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Why not?
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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:28 pm (UTC)
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many reasons. most notably:

- Everyone trying to bring along their best mini-recording equipment to a concert - bad for logistics, electrical interference and security.

- People trying to sell the recordings...taking money away from the band who the the rightful owners...not some bootlegger who has done nothing to deserve any payment.

- Takes away the uniquness of a concert/live experience.
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From:u2lynne
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Hmmm, well, I can semi understand your first argument, but as it is everyone is taking in cameras, so we have security issues right there.

As to number two, bootleggers are already selling, but if you know people are taping, then you know you should be able to find the recording out there for free (just like during Elevation).

But, how does taping take away from the live experience? You don't *have* tape. I have a copy (sometimes several different copies) of every Elevation concert I went to. I love to put them on and re-experience those moments.
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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:48 pm (UTC)
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But you'll mostly find that you're actually not SUPPOSED to take cameras and stuff in anyway. It's just too hard to police. So allowing more is just elevating an already annoying problem.

There's this one local band I used to be totally into. I went to soooooo many of their concerts...that after a while it was just nothing new. I'd heard it all before many times. Same sounds...same jokes. Stuff like that. You kinda loose interest from over exposure...something many bands hate. Especially if band members hate a particular performance of theirs.
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From:u2lynne
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:26 pm (UTC)
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And why not?
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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:32 pm (UTC)
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see my comment above.

I'll also add...

- sometimes bands just don't want things that happen in concerts (mistakes/inappropriate spur of the moment words/hecklers) to be remembered forever.

- if one band gives into bootleggers...then there will be massive pressure on more to follow. not good for the music industry.

There are very good reasons why the laws are there in the first place.
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From:u2lynne
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:46 pm (UTC)
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- Do you realize that there already is a copy circulating of most of U2s concerts? Every single Elevation show was recorded and is in circulation. It's just that every show has to be stealth recorded.

- Well, Pearl Jam successfully distributes soundboard recordings of their shows and encourages the trading of those shows after they are all sold out. There are *many* bands that allow taping already (see a list at etree.org).

U2 unofficially allows taping, but we are just asking them to make it official.
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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:53 pm (UTC)
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Yeah...I know about all the bootlegs of Elevation...and most of the recordings SUCK. Why burden a band with crap recordings.

The whole point is that there are specific laws in place to protect ALL musicians from the top to bottom...in respect to ownership and performance rights. When someone else takes advantage of your product...you effectively have been stolen from.

Pearl Jam is still incontrol of those recordings though...as they come off the soundboard. So that's a little different. Even though bands may say that you can record...it's still illegal...it just means the band isn't going to police it.
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From:izzybeth
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:53 pm (UTC)
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Well, the way I figure it, bootlegging is going to happen whether the band approves or not (formally or not), so they might as well.

And regarding the mistakes comment, U2 records everything they do anyway (and sometimes these things get leaked, i.e. the Achtung Baby outtakes), so what's the difference if a fan records them too?

also, in my opinion, screw the industry. they're greedy bastards who could stand to lose a few bucks.
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From:jayelde
Date:December 9th, 2003 02:58 pm (UTC)
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And regarding the mistakes comment, U2 records everything they do anyway (and sometimes these things get leaked, i.e. the Achtung Baby outtakes), so what's the difference if a fan records them too?

And they often hate it when leaks like that happen!!

also, in my opinion, screw the industry. they're greedy bastards who could stand to lose a few bucks.

Maybe at the top end of the industry where bands like U2 sit. But it just extends the problem over the whole board...right down to the guys at the bottom and the start ups....self financing their own albums...and who loose everything they put into it cause it's easier to get their album and copies of live gigs off the net.

It's pretty disrespectful.
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From:sirensong984
Date:December 11th, 2003 11:04 pm (UTC)
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Isn't it up to the venues themselves anyway? I know that at the two Atlanta shows I saw they allowed no recording/camereas (yet they all got in anyway), Baltimore was the same, but Indianapolis they actually came outside and ENCOURAGED us to bring cameras/recording devices in well before show time to ensure that we could all get them if we had not brought them. It wasn't U2 mgt. doing this either, but the Field House staffers..

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