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January 18th, 2004

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parallel_rhythm:
I'm currently feelin: amused amused

All right, my family's eating breakfast this morning, and my dad mentions that he read about Bono in the paper and that he stirred up some controversy by using salty language and what not. So I tell him the whole story behind it, and he says that the whole argument about what part of speech he was using is really weak and he proved himself an ignoramus by using that kind of language on television. (My dad's really conservative.) So I said that it is a kind of weak argument, but language is all over television. So then my brother commented on how the guy at the sound board must have fallen asleep if it wasn't censored. And here's what I think is the funny part of this whole story... my dad's reply to that was, "If you're in charge of the sound board and censor, and you see that Bono's on, you should know to stay awake!"

Well, I thought it was amusing. I think my dad is still trying to figure out what I see in Bono and U2 in general. His loss!
 
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:January 18th, 2004 11:44 am (UTC)
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Maybe you should mention to your dad that saying 'fucking' would really only be a big deal in America. You watch something like the Late Late Show in Ireland (where Bono was a guest just a little while ago) and no one bats an eyelash (though there are of course people who would just as soon have it not said). Same with France, Germany etc.

As Bono says, cursing is just onomatopoeia to Irish people.
From:irisheyedlass
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:02 pm (UTC)
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I noticed that when I was in England this summer. My friends and I were in the bed and breakfast watching tv and the host and the guests said fuck like it was nothing. It was funny after coming from a place where it's censored. It took a night or two to get used to lol
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:04 pm (UTC)
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*nods* And I much prefer it, I think.

It's especially fun to hear the priests say it.
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From:screendoor3
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:21 pm (UTC)
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I would never use the word 'fuck' liberally. It makes the speaker seem like he knows no other words. My whole station is having a debate:

http://www.kumm.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=208
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:30 pm (UTC)
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Actually, that- the use of such a word makes it seem you know no other qualifiers- is really the only valid one I've seen against it. Though it is generally dependent on a mainly American idea, that is, that 'fuck' is something to be taken note of more so than a word like 'cool' or 'very'. Perhaps that's why I find the use of a word like 'fuck' every other sentence more bothersome in Americans than in people from other countries. While it seems a natural part of the language coming out of someone from another country, it seems like in America, artists are just trying to be recognised as hardcore or whatever just because they used a 'bad word'. Once you enter a society where the dileneation is not really made, it becomes much less noticeable. Myself, I'm just careful to use 'proper' language when in American society, and talk normally when I'm around good friends/Ireland/Britain. It tends to work, and I've found that aside from more boisterous occasions, people actually tend to use it less when there's no restriction against it.

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From:screendoor3
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:00 pm (UTC)
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I've found that aside from more boisterous occasions, people actually tend to use it less when there's no restriction against it.

Interesting concept. The rebels use it, and when it's not taboo anymore they stop using it.
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:04 pm (UTC)
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Exactly. Words have are just as good or bad as the emphasis we place upon them.
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:32 pm (UTC)
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Also: this is sort of random, but your screen name: Rich Mullins referece?

/reaching for connections to the lovely Rich.
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From:screendoor3
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:01 pm (UTC)
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Nope. My Government teacher gave me this nickname (long story). It just fit.
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From:socialcrazed
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:26 pm (UTC)
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Haha. Censoring language on TV is rediculous anyway. People care more about people saying "fuck" and "shit" on it than the high amounts of violence that you can pretty much tune in to any time of the day. It's been bothering me all weekend on what lost priorities this country has. If people are offended that much by a sound that comes from somebody's mouth, then they might as well stay locked away at home, because you're gonna hear it everywhere.
From:irisheyedlass
Date:January 18th, 2004 12:52 pm (UTC)
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It's not ridiculous. I figure that there's really no reason for an 8 yr old kid to hear fuck on tv. I'd say it's more likely that he would repeat that around other kids than he would get hold of plastic explosives and try to blow up a bank or something. Besides the fact that a lot of major violence is censored out on daytime television (as long as you're not watching HBO) When you're older, you know that when the man who has just been caught in a room with C4 and has less than 10 seconds to get out says 'well damn,' he really means 'oh fuck.' He doesn't need to say it for us to know what he means. I personally don't care about the word itself, but I don't think it should be used all the time on television. I kind of agree with what was said earlier - a lot of Americans use it to make themselves sound all badass or whatever. I know that's why most of the high school boys I hang out with use it. Anyway, my point is that it's not ridiculous to censor language, and I don't think it's accurate to say this country has lost priorities.
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From:socialcrazed
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:11 pm (UTC)
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Hm. Well from my experience it's violence that's had more of an impact on younger kids. The idea that the world has "bad guys" that need to be killed..or whatever registers better with them than the fact that "fuck" is a dirty word. If they see fighting on TV they will imitate it. I've seen my young nephew (who practically lives with us these days) imitate some things off of TV that's really frightened the snot out of me. I probably overreact sometimes, but it's frightening none the less. And I see plenty of violence on networks other than HBO. (USA, Spike, for example). And being around my brother I'm sure my nephew has heard plenty of colorful language, but I have yet to hear him say a single F or S word. Or anything of that sort really.

I'll take back the statement on lost priorities though, I was out of line.
From:irisheyedlass
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:36 pm (UTC)
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I agree that kids will definitely imitate violence from TV. I think I learned the word 'fuck' in the 4th grade because of A Christmas Story. Where he says "the F - - - word." I went home and asked my mom what it was and she explained it to me. I've been told by my parents that I tried to say 'shit' when I was like 2 maybe, because I'd heard my mom say it. I was playing with blocks and knocked them over and said 'oh shot' or something. But then, you're right that little kids will run around and pretend they're blowing each other's brains out. So I guess we'll leave it at kids will imitate pretty much anything, huh? I guess they're bound to hear words like "fuck" and "shit" from any given place. I just figure it's easier to keep language off of television than violence, so you kind of have to trade one for the other, I suppose. With the news, not just regular movies or tv shows, kids are bound to see violence. I do agree with you, though, that some of the things you see little kids doing is kind of scary.
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From:parallel_rhythm
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:14 pm (UTC)
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Sorry I posted this one so many times. The computer kept freezing before and wouldn't let me see if it saved. :/

Anyway, I don't see the big deal. It's just a word. Americans have to be so uptight about everything, particularly use of language. It's true, Europe is more free about things like this. Personally saying fuck doesn't faze me at all. Must be from being born and raised in NY. ;) But seriously, I see nothing wrong with certain words, especially if they're the best way you can express yourself.
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From:sirensong984
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:28 pm (UTC)
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It's possible to be a conservative and still like U2. It's also possible to really, really like Bono(and I mean REALLY like. I made a fool of myself just for him to sing to me) but not agree with everything he does.

Just my .02 cents.
From:irisheyedlass
Date:January 18th, 2004 01:59 pm (UTC)
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YEP. I'm a conservative and love U2. You don't have to agree with someone's politics to like their music.
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From:rocknrollbirdie
Date:January 18th, 2004 08:53 pm (UTC)
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And I thought I was a freak of nature ;p
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From:achtungbaby
Date:January 18th, 2004 11:29 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, it was a live show, and it was bound to have a swear word or two slip through. it happens and people move on. I dont know why they want to keep beating this dead horse! I think its been a year now since it happend hasnt it? (or more perhaps)
but I've only really found it in america that people are sensitive to the "f" word on television. In mexico you can hear the equiv. on television.
But i'm starting to be a bit prouder of american censors. I've heard the word "shit" on tv and radio a hell of alot more.

*see soutpark episode where they said shit over 100 times, for starters*

I personally find the word shit more offensive than the word fuck. but i'm kinda strange like that.

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