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September 7th, 2004

Petitions against Indie 103.1 @ 08:09 pm

carobanano:
I'm currently hearin: Last Night on Earth

I know some people have said to just move on. I know some people are rolling their eyes about the whole thing. But there are still a lot of people who are incredibly angry and frustrated about the whole Indie 103.1 fiasco (including me), so I created 2 petitions.

To express you general displeasure with the idiots at Indie 103.1, go here:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/U2A/petition.html

To tell Principle Management you think they should do something about this, go here:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/U2b/petition.html

Read, sign if you agree, and spread the word. Thanks!

(also posted on the chaos that has become Interference.)
 
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From:sirensong984
Date:September 7th, 2004 05:22 pm (UTC)
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I don't mean to stir shit up..but..what legal action might Principal Mgmt. take and win? They didn't play the single, which would be the only reason I'd imagine that there would be a legal to be taken..
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From:carobanano
Date:September 7th, 2004 06:54 pm (UTC)
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I don't know for sure, but here's my logic:

103.1 advertised that they would play "Vertigo," and they didn't. This is false advertising, which is a crime. Negativland issued a CD in the 90's with "U2" printed in very large letters. U2 took them to court, presumably for false advertising and copyright infringement (they included bits of ISHFWILF in a song).

Although we haven't heard anything from U2.com (who are always a little slow, anyway), I'm almost positive that "Vertigo" would be played on the radio before it was released officially. The U2 camp has said September 24th as a single drop date, but it is by no means official and they could have released it earlier.

U2 could sue a radio station that played an unauthorized leak of "Vertigo," I suppose, but I don't think the general public would immediately know if it was authorized or not. So I guess that's my long-winded way of saying it could go both ways!
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From:ladylardence
Date:September 7th, 2004 05:27 pm (UTC)
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I signed both, and I didn't even listen to the damn thing! Henry Rollins is an arse!
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From:carobanano
Date:September 7th, 2004 06:56 pm (UTC)
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Thanks! I didn't listen either (stupid dysfunctional sound system!!), but if I could have I would. I can imagine how devasted the people who listened for 11, 12 hours were.

Henry Rollins is indeed and arse, but the petitions aren't directed at him, remember. :D
From:milieus
Date:September 7th, 2004 05:27 pm (UTC)
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I'm confused as to what exactly happened.
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From:achtungbaby0486
Date:September 7th, 2004 06:02 pm (UTC)
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*ditto*
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From:saintcheney
Date:September 7th, 2004 05:58 pm (UTC)
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I don't agree that they should have lied but I do disagree, strongly, with the manner in which this has been handled.

For one thing, I may be wrong, but if the single IS NOT RELEASED YET, can't they get in some amount of trouble for playing it?

Even if not...really, this is just giving them more reason to dislike U2 and U2's fans. A letter of complaint, written respectfully and reasonably, and supported with reasons WHY one is upset is fine. I'll endorse that completely. There is a reason to be angry, sure.

But to send yelling, screaming emails, and insult them and call people names - no one's going to listen to that. They're going to delete it, laugh at you, and forget about it. Because that's not respecting them, and in turn earning no respect at all. It makes it seem like you're an emotional obsessed fan, and not a person with a valid complaint.

If Bono just decided to go around and meet with politicians and say, "Haaaaa, you're a loser, you're stupid and you're greedy and you're not giving enough money to help AIDS, idiots" or whatever - well, I doubt he'd be meeting with any politicians.

Really this whole thing makes me glad I'm not v. deep into U2 fandom. And that's sort of sad because I respect most of it, but this is ridiculous.
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From:drive_away18
Date:September 7th, 2004 06:02 pm (UTC)
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thats a really good point
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From:carobanano
Date:September 7th, 2004 07:23 pm (UTC)
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I understand your viewpoint, but I have a few things to respond to:

For one thing, I may be wrong, but if the single IS NOT RELEASED YET, can't they get in some amount of trouble for playing it?

I wrote about that- or at least, my stance on it- in response to sirensong984 up there. ^^

Even if not...really, this is just giving them more reason to dislike U2 and U2's fans. A letter of complaint, written respectfully and reasonably, and supported with reasons WHY one is upset is fine. I'll endorse that completely. There is a reason to be angry, sure.

But to send yelling, screaming emails, and insult them and call people names - no one's going to listen to that. They're going to delete it, laugh at you, and forget about it. Because that's not respecting them, and in turn earning no respect at all. It makes it seem like you're an emotional obsessed fan, and not a person with a valid complaint.


This is all true. I'm sure that the yelling and screaming and insults were a gut reaction for most people (goodness knows I had my share of it when I first heard about the whole thing), and you're right, sending that sort of message to people isn't going to do much. But I'm confused- do you view the petitions as such? Strong language, maybe, but I did my best to write a cordial complaint. Maybe I'm just overestimating myself.

Really this whole thing makes me glad I'm not v. deep into U2 fandom.

Aw, that's too bad! We U2 freaks are a good crowd, most of the time. ;D
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From:achtungbaby0486
Date:September 7th, 2004 06:09 pm (UTC)
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okay, now that I understand the situation better.... lol

I love you dearly Caro, and you know that, but I do disagree with you on this point. Sure, Indie 101.3 is a complete arsefucker for false advertising, and it was mean and inconsiderate of them to play something anti-U2 during a U2 marathon (hello?!?! it doesn't even make sense). But I'm glad they didn't play the 'Vertigo'. I'm REALLY glad. Especially since the single isn't officially out yet.

I dunno, I'm just dreadfully afraid there may be another potential 'Electrical Storm' fiasco waiting to happen. I'm SOOOOO excited about this new album (*random spurt of hyperactivity*), and I don't want anything or anybody to ruin this for my boys or for me or for all the other wonderful U2 fans out there. I want this album to blast everyone out of the water and make them say, "Wow. Take a look at U2 now. They're kickass for a band that's been hanging around for 25 years!" Any premature releases of the album or single would hurt record sales and would throw off the release dates....and yah. *worried*

But that's just me. :)
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From:saintcheney
Date:September 7th, 2004 07:04 pm (UTC)
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I agree.
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From:hew_
Date:September 7th, 2004 08:18 pm (UTC)
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I signed them both, I strongly agree with you. We've been played for fools! X-(

Are you going to email the petitions to U2's PM and the radio?
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From:carobanano
Date:September 8th, 2004 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Thank you! I will indeed email them, eventually.
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From:roads_outgrown
Date:September 7th, 2004 08:51 pm (UTC)
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Am I the only one who thinks all of this is a bit ridiculous? Jaysus, people, they're going to release the single to radio within a couple of weeks, in all likelihood. If anything, Indie had a great marathon, with or without the single. No need to make U2 fans look like crazed arseholes because they didn't play a song illegally.

(And I'm referring to the situation in general, not the petitions, by the by)
From:dysprosium
Date:September 7th, 2004 10:43 pm (UTC)
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If anything, Indie had a great marathon, with or without the single.

Actually, it wasn't a great marathon. At all. I heard Electrical Storm well over 20 times. Most of the songs - all thirty or so - were repeated over and over again (with tons of commercials in between). They didn't even have the decency to give us a good marathon. Rollins also interrupted it with his show, so it wasn't even a marathon anyway.

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